Attack on Titan
| While I can't say that the writing got actually worse I'm still disappointed with the direction it took when everything was revealed. A big part of whole appeal of the anime/manga was the apocalypse setting and how they were basically the last humans (or at least some of the last). Now all that ended up being complete bullshit and fake. Everything is just fine beyond their island, there was never an apocalyptic event, titans were only on their island etc. I also think the Marley/Eldian conflict is just boring as hell. |
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| I was quite disappointed by the basement reveal. I did not expect it to be a freaking I was expecting something extravagant such as a meth lab....uh I mean Titan syringe lab. Some kind of scientific lab or research center dealing with titan specimen and DNA. Some sci-fi shit. |
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| The reveal was perfect and all that arc was the best. actually, it´s the best arc I ever read in manga. Now, what came after that wasn´t that great enough with that new cast adding. Still, one of my favorite manga. |
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| It's taken a weird direction with the whole Marley/Eldian conflict and all else, but I'm willing to wait it out for a bit to see what it does with the direction it's heading. I may get disappointed, but I doubt it'll get so bad that I'll drop it. |
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| That it would turn the story in some kind of shitty time something trash. Seriously. |
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| The Marley/Eldian conflict was actually a positive surpirise for me. It has given the "bad guys" of the story great motives to do what they are doing. It's a good example how to do a War Arc right - both sides are actually fighting for their survival and wan't to save the world they know. This is an example of great writing since real life wars are far more complicated then just casual good vs evil. Another boring post-apo story would be predictable and boring. |
| I like the reveal. I wasn't actually expecting it so the change was a surprise for me. With the recent chapter and more developments, I can see it potentially becoming my favorite arc in SnK. I did kinda miss the Titan actions, so hopefully something big will happen in the next couple of chapters. |
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| A lot of the mystery is gone by now. The fun of speculating the origins and motives of the Titans is over. Now it's just about waiting to see the whole thing conclude and how much the implied time paradox will affect the ending of the story. |
kronos7 said: The Marley/Eldian conflict was actually a positive surpirise for me. It has given the "bad guys" of the story great motives to do what they are doing. It's a good example how to do a War Arc right - both sides are actually fighting for their survival and wan't to save the world they know. This is an example of great writing since real life wars are far more complicated then just casual good vs evil. Another boring post-apo story would be predictable and boring. Maybe but I dont like being baited into a post apocalyptic story (love those and there arent many good one's in anime) and then suddenly it turns into a war manga. And the grey villians could have been achieved in another way too |
Nigerian-Warlord said: A lot of the mystery is gone by now. The fun of speculating the origins and motives of the Titans is over. Now it's just about waiting to see the whole thing conclude and how much the implied time paradox will affect the ending of the story. We still dont know about the true origin of thhe titan though, Kruger said most of it is speculation from the titan research facility. We still are in the dark. The eldian and the devil and the fruit thing, is all speculation, Kruger said it himself http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Shingeki-no-Kyojin/Chapter-088?id=335689#27 Most people gloss over that, its pretty much confirm we still dont know the absolute truth. A lot of person took the devil fruit thing literally and drop the manga. Smh Aardwolf94 said: kronos7 said: The Marley/Eldian conflict was actually a positive surpirise for me. It has given the "bad guys" of the story great motives to do what they are doing. It's a good example how to do a War Arc right - both sides are actually fighting for their survival and wan't to save the world they know. This is an example of great writing since real life wars are far more complicated then just casual good vs evil. Another boring post-apo story would be predictable and boring. Maybe but I dont like being baited into a post apocalyptic story (love those and there arent many good one's in anime) and then suddenly it turns into a war manga. And the grey villians could have been achieved in another way too There is a lot of hints that said thongs are not what they seem. I bet if you re read the manga you will see all the hints. The 3d gear is a big hint for example. I think snk is a serious you need to re read to appreciate it more. |
keragammingOct 28, 2017 7:17 PM
keragamming said: Nigerian-Warlord said: A lot of the mystery is gone by now. The fun of speculating the origins and motives of the Titans is over. Now it's just about waiting to see the whole thing conclude and how much the implied time paradox will affect the ending of the story. We still dont know about the true origin of thhe titan though, Kruger said most of it is speculation from the titan research facility. We still are in the dark. The eldian and the devil and the fruit thing, is all speculation, Kruger said it himself http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Shingeki-no-Kyojin/Chapter-088?id=335689#27 Most people gloss over that, its pretty much confirm we still dont know the absolute truth. A lot of person took the devil fruit thing literally and drop the manga. Smh Aardwolf94 said: Maybe but I dont like being baited into a post apocalyptic story (love those and there arent many good one's in anime) and then suddenly it turns into a war manga. And the grey villians could have been achieved in another way too There is a lot of hints that said thongs are not what they seem. I bet if you re read the manga you will see all the hints. The 3d gear is a big hint for example. I think snk is a serious you need to re read to appreciate it more. No I know that, the story is clearly planned out but that doesn't make the bait & switch any better here. I came for the post apocalyptic story about survival and being humanity's last stand. Not some generic war manga against different countries etc. That the apocalypse never happened makes most of the manga like a joke (each time they talk about humanity for an example). And what we got instead is just rather uninteresting. The series sadly lost its appeal for me. |
Aardwolf94Oct 29, 2017 12:41 PM
| @Aardwolf94 Ok fair enough. That is understandable. |
| Now after reading the whole section post basement reveal again and seeing how Eren developed I like the direction a bit more but definitely still prefer the post apocalypse setting |
| The reveal wasn't terrible and the currents story isn't bad but I also preferred the old changeless humans fight for surrival sorry over that |
Bruce_URKEL said: I was expecting something extravagant such as a meth lab....uh I mean Titan syringe lab. Some kind of scientific lab or research center dealing with titan specimen and DNA. Some sci-fi shit. That would be considered as a cliche, titans created by some scientific mistake and such |
| It pretty much became shit. Ever sine the whole bio-mecha thing became a thing, it's been on a downwards spiral. |
CondemneDio said: It pretty much became shit. Ever sine the whole bio-mecha thing became a thing, it's been on a downwards spiral. I guess thats why its call a opinion then, because imo the latest chapters is the best of the entire series yet, sure 90s chapters were mostly buildup, but seeing everyone in post timeskip and how much the characters have matured and the development of the story and how grey it has become is breathtaking. For me its one of the best manga series currently running. |
keragamming said: CondemneDio said: It pretty much became shit. Ever sine the whole bio-mecha thing became a thing, it's been on a downwards spiral. I guess thats why its call a opinion then, because imo the latest chapters is the best of the entire series yet, sure 90s chapters were mostly buildup, but seeing everyone in post timeskip and how much the characters have matured and the development of the story and how grey it has become is breathtaking. For me its one of the best manga series currently running. I put it on-hold until the series ends. Couldn't tolerate the chapters about characters I give 0 fucks for. |
CondemneDio said: keragamming said: I guess thats why its call a opinion then, because imo the latest chapters is the best of the entire series yet, sure 90s chapters were mostly buildup, but seeing everyone in post timeskip and how much the characters have matured and the development of the story and how grey it has become is breathtaking. For me its one of the best manga series currently running. I put it on-hold until the series ends. Couldn't tolerate the chapters about characters I give 0 fucks for. You choose the worst possible time to do it, when its at its peak right now. But its your decision. |
keragamming said: CondemneDio said: I put it on-hold until the series ends. Couldn't tolerate the chapters about characters I give 0 fucks for. You choose the worst possible time to do it, when its at its peak right now. But its your decision. I'll storm through it later. Might be even a better way to consume it, at least for me. |
CondemneDio said: keragamming said: You choose the worst possible time to do it, when its at its peak right now. But its your decision. I'll storm through it later. Might be even a better way to consume it, at least for me. Alright, you do that. |
| How do feel since SnK basement? Uh, dunno....i feel weird, but it's good. The mystery might be ded, but the essence isn't. It's quite funny to see that what awaits outside the walls isn't peace and freedom (yet). After clearing their own territory, now they are facing the whole world. It's quite a metaphor from my eyes - after getting finished with your own, internal things, what we face is the world. But ultimately, i want to appreciate this manga, whatever how things turned/will turn out. This manga is deep. |
| It was so bad that it killed my interest in the series entirely. I loved the anime, but man, I really don't want to watch any more seasons of it after the horrific mess of a story the manga goes through. |
pentmo said: It was so bad that it killed my interest in the series entirely. I loved the anime, but man, I really don't want to watch any more seasons of it after the horrific mess of a story the manga goes through. What was so bad about it for you? The execution or the general idea that there was no apocalypse etc.? |
| What was so bad about it for you? The execution or the general idea that there was no apocalypse etc.?[/quote] I don't usually mind huge twists like that, but it was executed very poorly IMO. The cast was already gigantic to the point of being a problem with many characters barely looked into (and looking similar to the point of being hard to identify). After the twist, the cast basically doubled, as did this same problem as before. The big reveal could have been really cool, but it immidiately led itself into a huge tone shift that made me lose interest. Instead of hitting you hard with it, it drags you through a slow, confusing mess with characters you don't know or care about. I think it would have been way better had the author kept it simple or ended it shortly after the reveal. There were so many interesting plot threads that got crushed. I absolutely love the idea behind it (a world through the perspective of a character with a very narrow view and then the narrative expanding to how small they are), but it didn't work at all in SnK. Narratively, I think it was a huge miss. :( |
| Honestly felt like the second half of Naruto:Shippuden. The author dont know how to expand the story properly so he just retcon some stuff and create a war. The reveal was just lackluster and poorly executed making it more disappointing for me. |
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AniMEHLover said: Honestly felt like the second half of Naruto:Shippuden. The author dont know how to expand the story properly so he just retcon some stuff and create a war. The reveal was just lackluster and poorly executed making it more disappointing for me. What did the author of snk retcon? You also didn't even finish getting the full basement story yet, it seems like you just saw one part of the story and say the author didn't expand the series properly. Also this reveal was not a surprise from us manga readers that were paying attention to the series, You know why the basement reveal was disappointing to you? Because you set an high expectation of it, not sure if anything that would be reveal would impress you. The basement is not the end game as what most thought, that is the real twist here, it's simple the portal to opening the pandora box. Now if you don't like the direction that is a different story. But as you read more chapters, the world will expand more and you will get to know more, so I don't know what you meant by he didn't expand the series properly? Wait a minute, I just check your season 1 to 3 ratings, and you didn't even like the series to begin with, if I had known I wouldn't even bother replying. |
keragammingOct 26, 2018 7:42 PM
keragamming said: AniMEHLover said: Honestly felt like the second half of Naruto:Shippuden. The author dont know how to expand the story properly so he just retcon some stuff and create a war. The reveal was just lackluster and poorly executed making it more disappointing for me. What did the author of snk retcon? You also didn't even finish getting the full basement story yet, it seems like you just saw one part of the story and say the author didn't expand the series properly. Also this reveal was not a surprise from us manga readers that were paying attention to the series, You know why the basement reveal was disappointing to you? Because you set an high expectation of it, not sure if anything that would be reveal would impress you. The basement is not the end game as what most thought, that is the real twist here, it's simple the portal to opening the pandora box. Now if you don't like the direction that is a different story. But as you read more chapters, the world will expand more and you will get to know more, so I don't know what you meant by he didn't expand the series properly? Wait a minute, I just check your season 1 to 3 ratings, and you didn't even like the series to begin with, if I had known I wouldn't even bother replying. Well, as a One Piece fan, I think Oda set the standard of a well executed reveal so I was expecting the same thing from Isayama but he's not Oda after all. Btw the retcon is at first we thought that the humans are close to extinction then at the basement they revealed that humans are actually alive. I am not a fan of that. If that is how the series will expand then like I said, its like Naruto. My ratings for S1-S3 are actually kinda high because I gave a lot of anime a 2 |
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AniMEHLover said: keragamming said: What did the author of snk retcon? You also didn't even finish getting the full basement story yet, it seems like you just saw one part of the story and say the author didn't expand the series properly. Also this reveal was not a surprise from us manga readers that were paying attention to the series, You know why the basement reveal was disappointing to you? Because you set an high expectation of it, not sure if anything that would be reveal would impress you. The basement is not the end game as what most thought, that is the real twist here, it's simple the portal to opening the pandora box. Now if you don't like the direction that is a different story. But as you read more chapters, the world will expand more and you will get to know more, so I don't know what you meant by he didn't expand the series properly? Wait a minute, I just check your season 1 to 3 ratings, and you didn't even like the series to begin with, if I had known I wouldn't even bother replying. Well, as a One Piece fan, I think Oda set the standard of a well executed reveal so I was expecting the same thing from Isayama but he's not Oda after all. Btw the retcon is at first we thought that the humans are close to extinction then at the basement they revealed that humans are actually alive. I am not a fan of that. If that is how the series will expand then like I said, its like Naruto. My ratings for S1-S3 are actually kinda high because I gave a lot of anime a 2 It's not inconsistent though, we and the characters thought they were the only ones alive on earth, but there were hints right throughout the seasons. Where did Reiner, Annie and Bertholdt come from? How was Grisha able to find a cure for the plague that was incurable inside the walls? Hanji and squad saying that the syringe is more advance than their current technology, that was mention in season 3 finale as well, the can food in castle utguard season 2, there is no can food in snk, meaning it was created by an industry, meaning there is plenty of people living outside the walls. I could go on and on, I don't get the naruto comparison though, could you elaborate more on that? |
keragamming said: AniMEHLover said: Well, as a One Piece fan, I think Oda set the standard of a well executed reveal so I was expecting the same thing from Isayama but he's not Oda after all. Btw the retcon is at first we thought that the humans are close to extinction then at the basement they revealed that humans are actually alive. I am not a fan of that. If that is how the series will expand then like I said, its like Naruto. My ratings for S1-S3 are actually kinda high because I gave a lot of anime a 2 It's not inconsistent though, we and the characters thought they were the only ones alive on earth, but there were hints right throughout the seasons. Where did Reiner, Annie and Bertholdt come from? How was Grisha able to find a cure for the plague that was incurable inside the walls? Hanji and squad saying that the syringe is more advance than their current technology, that was mention in season 3 finale as well, the can food in castle utguard season 2, there is no can food in snk, meaning it was created by an industry, meaning there is plenty of people living outside the walls. I could go on and on, I don't get the naruto comparison though, could you elaborate more on that? In the Five Kage Summit arc they revealed that the One-Tailed Beast upto the Nine-Tailed Beast are just fragments of the Ten-Tailed Beast (which IMO was just poorly executed and is dumb) then they proceed to a war. |
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AniMEHLover said: keragamming said: It's not inconsistent though, we and the characters thought they were the only ones alive on earth, but there were hints right throughout the seasons. Where did Reiner, Annie and Bertholdt come from? How was Grisha able to find a cure for the plague that was incurable inside the walls? Hanji and squad saying that the syringe is more advance than their current technology, that was mention in season 3 finale as well, the can food in castle utguard season 2, there is no can food in snk, meaning it was created by an industry, meaning there is plenty of people living outside the walls. I could go on and on, I don't get the naruto comparison though, could you elaborate more on that? In the Five Kage Summit arc they revealed that the One-Tailed Beast upto the Nine-Tailed Beast are just fragments of the Ten-Tailed Beast (which IMO was just poorly executed and is dumb) then they proceed to a war. I still am not getting how this is similar to naruto? Is it because there is 9 titan shifters? |
keragamming said: AniMEHLover said: In the Five Kage Summit arc they revealed that the One-Tailed Beast upto the Nine-Tailed Beast are just fragments of the Ten-Tailed Beast (which IMO was just poorly executed and is dumb) then they proceed to a war. I still am not getting how this is similar to naruto? Is it because there is 9 titan shifters? The execution of both reveals were lackluster. The direction both series takes was just disappointing. Only my opinion though. I compared it to Naruto because I felt the same feeling to the basement reveal to when they revealed that the all the Tailed Beast are one and Tobi declared a war. |
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AniMEHLover said: keragamming said: I still am not getting how this is similar to naruto? Is it because there is 9 titan shifters? The execution of both reveals were lackluster. The direction both series takes was just disappointing. Only my opinion though. I compared it to Naruto because I felt the same feeling to the basement reveal to when they revealed that the all the Tailed Beast are one and Tobi declared a war. I can't say nothing to that. I guess its up to you to drop it or continue. But yeah, it has change, its more like game of thrones now imo. |
keragamming said: AniMEHLover said: The execution of both reveals were lackluster. The direction both series takes was just disappointing. Only my opinion though. I compared it to Naruto because I felt the same feeling to the basement reveal to when they revealed that the all the Tailed Beast are one and Tobi declared a war. I can't say nothing to that. I guess its up to you to drop it or continue. But yeah, it has change, its more like game of thrones now imo. I would still continue to read because I dont like dropping things. Its just my self rule. My only hope is that the Marley War will not be as horrible as the Fourth Great Ninja War. |
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AniMEHLover said: keragamming said: I can't say nothing to that. I guess its up to you to drop it or continue. But yeah, it has change, its more like game of thrones now imo. I would still continue to read because I dont like dropping things. Its just my self rule. My only hope is that the Marley War will not be as horrible as the Fourth Great Ninja War. The great ninja arc was boring, because it was just fight, after fight. That's not Isayama style. One thing I know for sure we are getting a bittersweet ending at best, happy ending is out of the story. And then the awaking of the millions of wall titans.... apocalypse basically! Maybe the real twist is humanity dying. lol I wouldn't want that though. |
Aardwolf94 said: While I can't say that the writing got actually worse I'm still disappointed with the direction it took when everything was revealed. A big part of whole appeal of the anime/manga was the apocalypse setting and how they were basically the last humans (or at least some of the last). Now all that ended up being complete bullshit and fake. Everything is just fine beyond their island, there was never an apocalyptic event, titans were only on their island etc. I also think the Marley/Eldian conflict is just boring as hell. Agreed. I was not happy with the direction of the storyline and lost a lot of interest after that. I am still reading but not with a lot of enthusiasm. I just want to know how it will end. |
| The reveal that mankind is still alive is actually cool. What I didn't like is the timeskip and the actual arc. The grey themes are mostly well done, but it isn't that coherent with the universe that Isayama created. I mean, it's like the uprising arc, toying with time in the narrative in order to make it entertaining, because if it wasn't for the timeskip and the non lineal narrative, this arc will have been the most boring in the manga. |
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| During the non-titan 'Uprising' arc, I'd lost hope for the series. Silly 'Wild West' Kenny was not exactly what I had in mind after Annie & Reiner's fights and the political intrigue was weak. Plus, Isayama was still padding out the mystery not giving enough answers until the basement was reached, which made much of the arc feel like filler. The arc that followed with the Beast Titan baseball throw showdown had some amazing action, bringing the series back up to its peak as far as titans went, and one of the core youngling cast (fuck Marco) FINALLY died with Berty; albeit not one of the 'good guys'. At first I didn't know how to feel about the basement reveal. Isayama was obviously going all-in copying the Nazi's oppressing the Jews and not trying to hide it with the armbands at whatnot. It was an intriguing twist but not an especially creative one. However, the characterisation started impressing me a lot with Reiner having to deal with the consequences of his actions/PTSD back home and Eren surprising me the most by growing: realising that being angry and screaming all the time like a Shounen Jump lead is no longer the way to go. I had not seen a protagonist change so much, so unexpectedly before, and him doing to others what was done to him caught me cold. Now that all the cards are on the table and both sides know what - and who - they are fighting, it is no longer a black & white 'humans vs. monsters' series, and Eren is no longer a self-righteous idiot. There is no longer a need to beat around the bush with split-personalities designed to make things more confusing. It seems like Isayama is also taking criticism onboard in terms of killing off characters rather than keeping them around forever more: Sasha. It felt a tad forced, though was a very welcome surprise; making the end more unpredictable. I was hoping AoT would end sooner rather than later but I am now interested in seeing how it's going to end. There's not gonna be a happy end for Eren or any of the titan shifters, that much is clear. |
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| I was the most disappointed when Eren went all apeshit on civilians and the military (new Lelouch maybe?), though "titans on 1 island only" thing was something i was kind of ok with. Heck, i was more disappointed with all the human v human and conspiracies before that. I guess the first disappointment was when everyone appeared to be a titan like Eren.... AOT used to be a survival story, a very bloody and interesting story, but now it turned into an average show, just like "the walking dead" series, where you had apocalypse and zombies at the start and then the entire seasons are all about human factions fighting humans and people doing politics and shit (zombies are no longer the main topic)! |
AzorAhai said: I was the most disappointed when Eren went all apeshit on civilians and the military (new Lelouch maybe?), though "titans on 1 island only" thing was something i was kind of ok with. Heck, i was more disappointed with all the human v human and conspiracies before that. I guess the first disappointment was when everyone appeared to be a titan like Eren.... AOT used to be a survival story, a very bloody and interesting story, but now it turned into an average show, just like "the walking dead" series, where you had apocalypse and zombies at the start and then the entire seasons are all about human factions fighting humans and people doing politics and shit (zombies are no longer the main topic)! There is a spin off call attack on Titan before the fall, where it's just titan vs dumb Titans all the way with no titan shifters or anything else. So that series could be a good alternate for you. I like the new change, everything is now grey, the fanbase is split into different groups where some r on the warriors side while others is on the yeageridt side and then the other group is on Mikasa, Levi and hanji side. It's a really interesting scenario imo, not straight forward like guys with blade fighting mindless titan, don't get me wrong I love it but eventually it will get repetitive and boring. I only watch the first season of walking dead, but attack on Titan has become a war manga, so I don't see the comparison with this arc. The uprsing arc would be more relatable to the walking dead human vs human conflict. |
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